xDYLANx
Apr 10, 09:53 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Fz6EB.png
PsyKi
Oct 5, 05:50 PM
Well, to be honest, I think Safari is one of the very, very few Mac software things I don't use.
Opera, firefox, camino, sure.
Never really like Safari, no idea why.
Anyway, I only see 1 actual 'new' feature, which is the resizing textfields thing.
As a user, I have to say, I like it.
Being a webdesigner too, I hate the idea of people raping my design.
So, good feature??? I don't know. After all, I don't think this is a feature many users will actually use, except when it's REALLY necessary, which usually only happens with crappy webpages, which I tend not to design....
The other features, well, sorry people, but these are things I do daily in all of my other browsers. Nothing new there. I think it's terrible They weren't in yet though.
I still can't get why Apple uses Safari. Totally doesn't fit in their 'good, innovating software' thing. I'd expect Opera to be made by Apple.
Opera, firefox, camino, sure.
Never really like Safari, no idea why.
Anyway, I only see 1 actual 'new' feature, which is the resizing textfields thing.
As a user, I have to say, I like it.
Being a webdesigner too, I hate the idea of people raping my design.
So, good feature??? I don't know. After all, I don't think this is a feature many users will actually use, except when it's REALLY necessary, which usually only happens with crappy webpages, which I tend not to design....
The other features, well, sorry people, but these are things I do daily in all of my other browsers. Nothing new there. I think it's terrible They weren't in yet though.
I still can't get why Apple uses Safari. Totally doesn't fit in their 'good, innovating software' thing. I'd expect Opera to be made by Apple.
Chundles
Oct 18, 01:37 PM
http://att.macrumors.com/contest/B9D13D.jpg
Just a really dodgy 2 second job.
Just a really dodgy 2 second job.
ECUpirate44
Dec 14, 05:49 PM
Where can I find this background?
Here you go.
Here you go.
FF_productions
Jun 25, 06:01 PM
Looking for 1.25 Ghz and up.
I'd like to purchase this soon, so keep the offers coming!
I'd like to purchase this soon, so keep the offers coming!
j.larsen
May 2, 01:37 AM
Do you ever question your life
Do you ever wonder why
Do you ever see in your dreams
All the castles in the sky :)
Well, I'm pretty happy with my @me.com
Do you ever wonder why
Do you ever see in your dreams
All the castles in the sky :)
Well, I'm pretty happy with my @me.com
maflynn
Dec 22, 10:43 AM
Some people obviously don't know the cost of staff downtime. Each day, how much longer does it take windows computer to boot up than a Mac? Minutes longer. Add that up over every single work day. Then add the anti-virus scans, annoying pop ups, etc.
I support PCs and servers in my job, along with Macs as we're a mixed shop.
I can say without a shadow of a doubt what you put down has little basis in reality. Yes, windows machines take longer to boot up, but not always because of the the antivirus software.
They take longer because IT (me and my co workers) we make sure that group policies are pushed out on every reboot, so the machines are fairly locked down. We also push out updates to software automatically and also yes do virus scans.
For IT to take macs serious, they will need to easily apply group policies to the computer remotely and automatically. Have applications available that allows them to update client applications.
The cost of such is generally to a degree that makes using macs not feasible.
btw, I get just as many calls regarding problems with macs as I do with PCs. In fact many enterprise applications have some major compatibility issues with Safari.
Total Cost of Ownership, up time, training support and efficiencies all point to using PCs over a Mac.
Just because apple fanboys say its cheaper in the long run means its true, quite the opposite. Asset depreciation of Macs is the same as PCs, so there's no financial incentive for a business to hold on to a mac longer then a PC, and actually its negative to hold on to an asset when its fully depreciated even if its still functional. This throws the idea that macs last longer out the door when dealing with business and depreciation
So why buy a computer that costs 2x more then another, has less ability to support/manage remotely. Has the same level of support required, i.e., support calls for users who need help, has some serious compatibility issues with some enterprise applications and also requires a fair amount of re-training for both the users and support staff.
I support PCs and servers in my job, along with Macs as we're a mixed shop.
I can say without a shadow of a doubt what you put down has little basis in reality. Yes, windows machines take longer to boot up, but not always because of the the antivirus software.
They take longer because IT (me and my co workers) we make sure that group policies are pushed out on every reboot, so the machines are fairly locked down. We also push out updates to software automatically and also yes do virus scans.
For IT to take macs serious, they will need to easily apply group policies to the computer remotely and automatically. Have applications available that allows them to update client applications.
The cost of such is generally to a degree that makes using macs not feasible.
btw, I get just as many calls regarding problems with macs as I do with PCs. In fact many enterprise applications have some major compatibility issues with Safari.
Total Cost of Ownership, up time, training support and efficiencies all point to using PCs over a Mac.
Just because apple fanboys say its cheaper in the long run means its true, quite the opposite. Asset depreciation of Macs is the same as PCs, so there's no financial incentive for a business to hold on to a mac longer then a PC, and actually its negative to hold on to an asset when its fully depreciated even if its still functional. This throws the idea that macs last longer out the door when dealing with business and depreciation
So why buy a computer that costs 2x more then another, has less ability to support/manage remotely. Has the same level of support required, i.e., support calls for users who need help, has some serious compatibility issues with some enterprise applications and also requires a fair amount of re-training for both the users and support staff.
ten-oak-druid
Apr 7, 02:52 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8C148 Safari/6533.18.5)
I am all against this nostalgia gaming. U have so many great games available on the ipad or iphone that utilise their potencial, why would u wanr to play games that have 12 pixels running around? I think it has more to do with people remembering the "good old times" when they havent had all that depression, fear and insecurity going on.
I played Atari up through super nintendo. I stopped at that point partly due to the games appearing to play themselves. If you ask young people to go back and try to play Zelda or link from beginning to end, you often hear "its too hard". The point of the old games was to be challenging; not to be a movie disguised as a game.
I'll admit that recently when I played an older game I was disappointed but then I realized I was doing something wrong. I was hitting the continue button. The older games are better if you challenge yourself to score as high as possible on one credit or compete with a second person on one credit.
You know the new games would be more interesting if played like that too. These first person shooter games are ridiculous because you keep getting back up after dying. The thing is that it doesn't seem as boring to play like that because the scenery of the game keeps changing. But try having two people play as far as possible with one life or three if that is standard and go as far as possible on that. I bet it is a better game if you play with the rul that you start over when you die in the game.
I am all against this nostalgia gaming. U have so many great games available on the ipad or iphone that utilise their potencial, why would u wanr to play games that have 12 pixels running around? I think it has more to do with people remembering the "good old times" when they havent had all that depression, fear and insecurity going on.
I played Atari up through super nintendo. I stopped at that point partly due to the games appearing to play themselves. If you ask young people to go back and try to play Zelda or link from beginning to end, you often hear "its too hard". The point of the old games was to be challenging; not to be a movie disguised as a game.
I'll admit that recently when I played an older game I was disappointed but then I realized I was doing something wrong. I was hitting the continue button. The older games are better if you challenge yourself to score as high as possible on one credit or compete with a second person on one credit.
You know the new games would be more interesting if played like that too. These first person shooter games are ridiculous because you keep getting back up after dying. The thing is that it doesn't seem as boring to play like that because the scenery of the game keeps changing. But try having two people play as far as possible with one life or three if that is standard and go as far as possible on that. I bet it is a better game if you play with the rul that you start over when you die in the game.
Rocketman
Sep 30, 11:37 AM
This really hits a nerve with me. This example of Lotus notes which at one time was a new application which was NOT written to work well with BOTH Macs and DOStel PC's was a CHOICE. They wanted for a variety of reasons to deal with only one set of hardware even though there was deployed hardware in use with users who would at least in principal, need to be on their network.
As the years passed with Notes, they begrudgingly made some versions with limited Mac support, but always as a second class citizen to such a degree that unless you ran it on a DOStel PC or a Wintel PC an employer could not practicably talk with them to the drgree they needed to.
As a result of this and the fairly wide adoption of Notes for secure communication within several large enterprises, Macs were shut out.
Now that Notes is adding "more full" Mac support 20 years later, they will not be surprised to hear Mac users, and shops who respect Mac users have simply switched to something else.
Hopefully what will happen now is their captured markets will simply buy APPLE hardware to perform Dostel and Wintel PC functions under Parallels or Bootcamp or Q.
It will be ritious.
Rocketman
As the years passed with Notes, they begrudgingly made some versions with limited Mac support, but always as a second class citizen to such a degree that unless you ran it on a DOStel PC or a Wintel PC an employer could not practicably talk with them to the drgree they needed to.
As a result of this and the fairly wide adoption of Notes for secure communication within several large enterprises, Macs were shut out.
Now that Notes is adding "more full" Mac support 20 years later, they will not be surprised to hear Mac users, and shops who respect Mac users have simply switched to something else.
Hopefully what will happen now is their captured markets will simply buy APPLE hardware to perform Dostel and Wintel PC functions under Parallels or Bootcamp or Q.
It will be ritious.
Rocketman
trekkie604
Mar 14, 08:08 PM
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1098165
pruppert
Mar 10, 06:46 AM
First opening of Flipboard after the recent update to the app displays an iOS popup "Warning. Your iPad appears to be jailbroken. This may cause bugs, crashes or other unpredictable behavior."
I just thought that was interesting as I've never seen such a message before or even knew that an app could detect a jailbreak. What's to keep apple from detecting this with one of their apps and voiding my warranty?
I just thought that was interesting as I've never seen such a message before or even knew that an app could detect a jailbreak. What's to keep apple from detecting this with one of their apps and voiding my warranty?
Gavroche62
Jan 11, 08:21 AM
Jesus I wish the US was like that (wrt cell phone service). The hoops you have to jump through to get even pre-paid service in the US are truly ridiculous. If there is a major disappointment for me about this keynote, it's that it looks like the iphone will be carrier locked at least until '08, but we'll see. I was hoping Apple would sell the phones unlocked, and start the migration in the US away from carrier subsidies.
Yes the Carrier issue IS quite possibly the hair in the ointment. Apple's proven they can build the best devices hands down. These exclusive carrier deals stand a much better chance at killing this than competition from any other device manufacturer. Cingular, Verizon, Sprint etc...they're all the same with equally poor service. The FCC loves to support little monopolies and we the users are forced into a market with poor selection of both devices and carriers. Let's hope this prompts another revolution in the carrier landscape.
What was the quote at the beginning of the conference: if you want to build the best software build your own hardware? Well in this case Apple may have to build (buy?) their own network with no contracts and flexible pay as you go deals to make this work. Otherwise the industry may just sink this entire project - like the entertainment industry tried to do with movies and music on the iPod.
Yes the Carrier issue IS quite possibly the hair in the ointment. Apple's proven they can build the best devices hands down. These exclusive carrier deals stand a much better chance at killing this than competition from any other device manufacturer. Cingular, Verizon, Sprint etc...they're all the same with equally poor service. The FCC loves to support little monopolies and we the users are forced into a market with poor selection of both devices and carriers. Let's hope this prompts another revolution in the carrier landscape.
What was the quote at the beginning of the conference: if you want to build the best software build your own hardware? Well in this case Apple may have to build (buy?) their own network with no contracts and flexible pay as you go deals to make this work. Otherwise the industry may just sink this entire project - like the entertainment industry tried to do with movies and music on the iPod.
Prom1
Dec 29, 09:17 PM
nefan65 & Silas1066;
Without the need to requote Silas' post yet again I must disagree on a few points:
1. India is not the ONLY country that the USA IT Industry is outsourcing to:
India, Pakistan, Indonesia, and China have already been done for the past 2-7yrs already if not more. Singling out India is a cop-out and its mostly programming that is outsourced (or was initially) along with level 1-3 support lines. Microsoft is not the only corporation to do this: nor the first. Again singling out India instead of just correctly generalizing outsourcing - shows a bit of ignorance; if not then just simply bad etiquette & taste. Admit that at the very least.
2. The example that IT would entirely be outsourced and go the way of textiles is a bit long stretched but based on current trends & facts.
Examples: Although the auto industry went heavily to Japan as a quick shift for better build quality or fuel efficiency [Honda, Nissan Toyota of the 90s, Infiniti & Lexus as well], the German auto industry have always been there [Audi-Union: Audi/VW/Porsche, BMW, etc]. Ford is the only USA auto marker that didn't claim bankruptcy protection and well the quality of their cars has NEVER been better, sales are well up & the product line more refined to target consumers.
- The point I'm making is that engineering accomplishments, R&D, design trends, performance, fuel efficiency/alternative modes of energy consumption (a new paradigm), car costs & basic equipment, etc have always changed which auto maker is on top.
The same can be said about the animation industry. Japan is king with just about all things Anime, but the big blockbuster movie $$ is still done by companies in the US of A. Different styles of artistic animation, expression, plots, voice acting or voice overs etc change. Can you honestly say that the American animation industry is failing against that of Japan? Artists, just like engineers work outside of borders - so long as laws, visas, patents, contracts don't bind them.
Now focusing on IT. Sure there are a number of 12-16yr old geeky pimple faced, goggle wearing (I'm being overly stereotypical here) kids across the world that can traverse very well in command line in Linux, or even in Terminal in OSX, or DOS on Windows. Many of whom can whip up a NASTY Virus or cluster of VIRII that'll bring an office to its knees - if built from scratched code in a matter of minutes.
BUT: you're forgetting those professors in certain universities around the world and the real forefathers of C+, UNIX code/command line, etc that built shells from scratch with serious purposeful insight that many are STILL in original form today in both Linux/Unix. These oldie's but goodies - like T. Berners Lee are able to build applications we use daily. These guys will continue to teach and work at the worlds best technology corporations: just because like Flynn their addicted and its their world, heart & soul.
Yes servers will be virtualized almost entirely - as if they where not already: remember RS400/MainFrame(?). Desktops as well - yet there are still 2 things that will allow the desktop and laptop survive for at least another decade.
1. People still love to OWN things; tangible or not.
- people still love the ability to grab what they own and use it portably the way they can or where they can:
The richest guys in the world have limo's and drivers 6x on Sunday. But they still buy, own, and drive their own cars. music since the very beginning has always loved to be played & shared by people. 8-track played at home/car only, cassette allowed it in smaller rooms and the walkman was born, Mini-Disc then compact disc made it even more portable and digital quality, now MP3's allow more music to be stored on CD/DVD's and on HDD/SSD's. What's one thing that has NOT changed? People still love to play/share/own music and love to have pictures or memories of those that play their favorites.
2. Networks are STILL limited.
- Limited by bandwidth: especially when talking about virtualized environments to be used/shared across continents: Riverbeds help quite a bit but still load balance and bandwidth issues.
- Limited by memory speeds ^ see bandwidth above.
- Limited by storage space - and the speeds to read/write access: this is more important than the horsepower race in cars or the top speed race or acceleration.
One day we'll have our own worldwide network where terminals are used along with tablets/smartphones - very similar to a Brainiac in Superman. Laugh all you want but with Google, Oracle, VMWare, Microsoft, Apple Sun Microsystems (back end servers), CISCO, Intel & AMD, BELL Labs/Ericsson LB/Lucent Technologies/ Military/ etc sooner or later their work will finally become a harmony - hardware, software (code/graphics/GUI/Voice & gesture control) will all reach a pinnacle where the human equation has reached its peak of intake/input rate of speed/quality of graphics/motion/computational power and bandwidth makes any micro form of latency negligible (or non-relavent). Some say there is always something better but sooner or later it'll happen. [PST: physically humans haven't evolved much in the past million years].
OK I think I had too much to toke on this derailment.
What benefits of the core code in OSX can be utilized to better suite corporations and are there ANY applications that cannot be ported to OS X - and extensions used by applications that cannot be used directly or ported over in real-time to be read/edited in the OSX ported app?!
Without the need to requote Silas' post yet again I must disagree on a few points:
1. India is not the ONLY country that the USA IT Industry is outsourcing to:
India, Pakistan, Indonesia, and China have already been done for the past 2-7yrs already if not more. Singling out India is a cop-out and its mostly programming that is outsourced (or was initially) along with level 1-3 support lines. Microsoft is not the only corporation to do this: nor the first. Again singling out India instead of just correctly generalizing outsourcing - shows a bit of ignorance; if not then just simply bad etiquette & taste. Admit that at the very least.
2. The example that IT would entirely be outsourced and go the way of textiles is a bit long stretched but based on current trends & facts.
Examples: Although the auto industry went heavily to Japan as a quick shift for better build quality or fuel efficiency [Honda, Nissan Toyota of the 90s, Infiniti & Lexus as well], the German auto industry have always been there [Audi-Union: Audi/VW/Porsche, BMW, etc]. Ford is the only USA auto marker that didn't claim bankruptcy protection and well the quality of their cars has NEVER been better, sales are well up & the product line more refined to target consumers.
- The point I'm making is that engineering accomplishments, R&D, design trends, performance, fuel efficiency/alternative modes of energy consumption (a new paradigm), car costs & basic equipment, etc have always changed which auto maker is on top.
The same can be said about the animation industry. Japan is king with just about all things Anime, but the big blockbuster movie $$ is still done by companies in the US of A. Different styles of artistic animation, expression, plots, voice acting or voice overs etc change. Can you honestly say that the American animation industry is failing against that of Japan? Artists, just like engineers work outside of borders - so long as laws, visas, patents, contracts don't bind them.
Now focusing on IT. Sure there are a number of 12-16yr old geeky pimple faced, goggle wearing (I'm being overly stereotypical here) kids across the world that can traverse very well in command line in Linux, or even in Terminal in OSX, or DOS on Windows. Many of whom can whip up a NASTY Virus or cluster of VIRII that'll bring an office to its knees - if built from scratched code in a matter of minutes.
BUT: you're forgetting those professors in certain universities around the world and the real forefathers of C+, UNIX code/command line, etc that built shells from scratch with serious purposeful insight that many are STILL in original form today in both Linux/Unix. These oldie's but goodies - like T. Berners Lee are able to build applications we use daily. These guys will continue to teach and work at the worlds best technology corporations: just because like Flynn their addicted and its their world, heart & soul.
Yes servers will be virtualized almost entirely - as if they where not already: remember RS400/MainFrame(?). Desktops as well - yet there are still 2 things that will allow the desktop and laptop survive for at least another decade.
1. People still love to OWN things; tangible or not.
- people still love the ability to grab what they own and use it portably the way they can or where they can:
The richest guys in the world have limo's and drivers 6x on Sunday. But they still buy, own, and drive their own cars. music since the very beginning has always loved to be played & shared by people. 8-track played at home/car only, cassette allowed it in smaller rooms and the walkman was born, Mini-Disc then compact disc made it even more portable and digital quality, now MP3's allow more music to be stored on CD/DVD's and on HDD/SSD's. What's one thing that has NOT changed? People still love to play/share/own music and love to have pictures or memories of those that play their favorites.
2. Networks are STILL limited.
- Limited by bandwidth: especially when talking about virtualized environments to be used/shared across continents: Riverbeds help quite a bit but still load balance and bandwidth issues.
- Limited by memory speeds ^ see bandwidth above.
- Limited by storage space - and the speeds to read/write access: this is more important than the horsepower race in cars or the top speed race or acceleration.
One day we'll have our own worldwide network where terminals are used along with tablets/smartphones - very similar to a Brainiac in Superman. Laugh all you want but with Google, Oracle, VMWare, Microsoft, Apple Sun Microsystems (back end servers), CISCO, Intel & AMD, BELL Labs/Ericsson LB/Lucent Technologies/ Military/ etc sooner or later their work will finally become a harmony - hardware, software (code/graphics/GUI/Voice & gesture control) will all reach a pinnacle where the human equation has reached its peak of intake/input rate of speed/quality of graphics/motion/computational power and bandwidth makes any micro form of latency negligible (or non-relavent). Some say there is always something better but sooner or later it'll happen. [PST: physically humans haven't evolved much in the past million years].
OK I think I had too much to toke on this derailment.
What benefits of the core code in OSX can be utilized to better suite corporations and are there ANY applications that cannot be ported to OS X - and extensions used by applications that cannot be used directly or ported over in real-time to be read/edited in the OSX ported app?!
SeaFox
Dec 14, 01:09 AM
Why don't you just record the radio stream?
robbieduncan
Apr 19, 04:51 AM
I imagine it's linked to the spy not working (and the attachments server being funky)...
lilo777
Apr 4, 04:32 PM
this move was expected. I do not understand why some iPhone owners expect to be treated any differently than owners of other phones. Because they "want" to upgrade their phone every year? What if Apple starts releasing new model every 6 months? Will you demand ATT to pay for this?
iLikeMyiMac
Aug 20, 06:21 PM
Doesn't he get dizzy after a while?
jrko
Apr 17, 05:40 AM
running a carbon copy cloner run of my itunes 1.3Tb library to its matching backup, a first run of time machine backup to another drive and checking for artwork in itunes - its making a steady 50 deg which aint bad for a machine with a 90% load
dime21
May 5, 11:07 AM
BTW, if you guys haven't read Marc Thiessen's Courting Disaster, pick it up. He explains that waterboarding was not used to get answers to questions or confessions, but rather to break their will and spirit and get them to agree to start cooperating.
The first big fish they got after 9/11, Abu Zubaida (also in a stellar takedown op), told his CIA interrogators that AQ were trained to resist only as long as they personally could and, once they had reached their personal breaking point, they were free to sing like canaries with a clear conscience. The reasoning behind this was that Allah would always be victorious, so they'd not be compromising the larger mission and would have done their religious duty by offering as much resistance as they could.
Once the CIA knew this, the enhanced interrogation techniques were personalized to let each detainee know that it would never stop until they agreed to cooperate and things would get better as soon as they did. KSM was the toughest one of the bunch and, when he reached his breaking point, he asked for a pad and paper and was willing to write down everything they needed.
The first big fish they got after 9/11, Abu Zubaida (also in a stellar takedown op), told his CIA interrogators that AQ were trained to resist only as long as they personally could and, once they had reached their personal breaking point, they were free to sing like canaries with a clear conscience. The reasoning behind this was that Allah would always be victorious, so they'd not be compromising the larger mission and would have done their religious duty by offering as much resistance as they could.
Once the CIA knew this, the enhanced interrogation techniques were personalized to let each detainee know that it would never stop until they agreed to cooperate and things would get better as soon as they did. KSM was the toughest one of the bunch and, when he reached his breaking point, he asked for a pad and paper and was willing to write down everything they needed.
twoodcc
Mar 4, 10:58 PM
I'm in.
2009 Mac Pro Octo 2.26 reporting for duty.
alright! that machine should put out some good points! as mentioned before, there's no bigadv for Mac OS X right now, only windows and linux. so if you are running snow leopard, you can still run the smp client, and with a passkey, you'll still get a bonus
I'll have my new i7-2600k computer coming online sometime next week after I complete its construction and thorough testing (ahem.. overclocking..). All of the parts for it are arriving today (including the new revised SB motherboard finally!), but except for unfortunately the ram is coming via USPS and is currently in Ontario, CA bound for northern CA so it may be here on saturday but I'm not optimistic. I'm pretty excited for this actually, this will be (relatively speaking) the fastest computer I've ever had.
great! from what i hear, you should get a nice overclock on that! let us know how it goes!
2009 Mac Pro Octo 2.26 reporting for duty.
alright! that machine should put out some good points! as mentioned before, there's no bigadv for Mac OS X right now, only windows and linux. so if you are running snow leopard, you can still run the smp client, and with a passkey, you'll still get a bonus
I'll have my new i7-2600k computer coming online sometime next week after I complete its construction and thorough testing (ahem.. overclocking..). All of the parts for it are arriving today (including the new revised SB motherboard finally!), but except for unfortunately the ram is coming via USPS and is currently in Ontario, CA bound for northern CA so it may be here on saturday but I'm not optimistic. I'm pretty excited for this actually, this will be (relatively speaking) the fastest computer I've ever had.
great! from what i hear, you should get a nice overclock on that! let us know how it goes!
Kyffin
Oct 1, 07:46 AM
^Wow! Love it:)
Did a tineye search and I'm guessing its not a real place (shame, the bouldering would've been sweet!)
Did a tineye search and I'm guessing its not a real place (shame, the bouldering would've been sweet!)
iCrizzo
Apr 27, 12:35 PM
This tracking stuff is all the Apple haters fault. All the non-iPhone owners are the one's making a big deal about it. Can't wait to buy a white iPhone tomorrow so Apple can track 2 phones I own.
Mal
Oct 1, 02:26 PM
Same as September for now.
http://db.tt/fSDwVZO
Original from here: blog site. (http://nojunkjustjesus.blogspot.com/2010/09/recently-large-group-of-gay-christian.html) Not sure where they got it from, if it's not originally from there (hard to tell).
EDIT: Just want to point out that I don't endorse and have not read all/most of what's on that site. I found the image through a google search. Just wanted to make that clear.
jW
http://db.tt/fSDwVZO
Original from here: blog site. (http://nojunkjustjesus.blogspot.com/2010/09/recently-large-group-of-gay-christian.html) Not sure where they got it from, if it's not originally from there (hard to tell).
EDIT: Just want to point out that I don't endorse and have not read all/most of what's on that site. I found the image through a google search. Just wanted to make that clear.
jW
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Oct 12, 03:58 PM
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